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    Hola a todos compañeros, estoy pensando en vender mi actual 850 t5(tengo una ofertay le estoy dando vueltas) y pasarme a un r awd, en este caso una v70 R de las primeras. He hablado con el dueño y me ha comentado de que el coche es awd funciona pero le quitaron el eje central de transmision para que gastase menos, segun me han contado el coche ha pasado la itv asi pero mi duda es ya que a mi me da igual que sea awd o fwd es si seria posible para no dar tanto el cante en las itv cambiar el puente trasero de la awd por uno de fwd y de poderse hacer que necesitaria a parte del puente, suspension y posiblemente la linea de escape, otra duda y no menos importante es saber si en las fichas tecnicas de las awd viene reflejado si son o no son awd ya que en la ficha de mi 850 no pone o al menos no recuerdo que ponga si el coche es delantera o trasera o integral, de no ponerlo me seria mas facil tod la operacion de sustituir el puente trasero y demas.


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    Predeterminado Re: pasar awd a fwd en v70R de primera generacion

    Por qué no la dejas AWD? Es menos complicado, o déjala como esta.

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    el problema es que le falta el arbol de transmision central. No se lo que costara nuevo o usado pero quizas sea mas mas barato cambiar el puente trasero por el de uno normal y dejarlo todo como si fuese una de traccion delantera, ademas he estado mirando y si le meteiese alguna chuches es mas facil localizar piezas para una normal que para una awd. Ademas esta el echo de lo delicado que es el awd.

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    Y lo bien que van? Yo no lo haría, pero no es mi coche. buscaría en el mercado ya que hay mucha oferta.

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    eso no lo discuto David, solo pregunto si se podria hacer

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    Predeterminado Re: pasar awd a fwd en v70R de primera generacion

    deja el sistema de suspension trasero es mas rigido que

    el del FW

    solo elimina el diferencial,el haldexy los palieres

    pero el AWD es unico para disfrutar cuando caen 4 gotas

    y ves a los traccion trasera acojonados

    y un eje seguro que lo encuentras a buen precio en desguaces

    o ebay
    Última edición por RAMALOJI; 18/06/2013 a las 20:38

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    Gracias ramaloji, como digo si acepto la oferta que me han echo por mi t5 y me tiro a la piscina con la R seria conseguir un eje central de transmision, cuatro neumaticos nuevos si o si y una stage 0 y ya mas adelante veriamos si le metemos alguna chuche. por cierto kits de suspension hay para este awd? solo he encontrado un kit intrax que vale 1800€ XD


    por cierto rajaloji, entiendo que si elimino todo lo que has dicho visualmente se quedaria como un puente trasero con suspension independiente no?
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    si te animas aqui va alguna informacion


    • '98-'00 AWD Component Parts Listings

      09-23-2011 03:08 PM #1
      Note that the vin break listed, even in the '99 slide is a '98 vin break. These early ones use SKF bearings. The pinion bearings are the same as RWD 1031 rear pinions: 183841 & 183839





      mid 98-99 style



      longer pinion to diff casing offset, recessed yoke for CV joint (unlike early '9


      '00 ONLY


      note the shorter pinion to diff casing offset - which indicates that the right side driveshaft will also be different than '99, having a longer shoulder to provide a seat area for the BG (outer casing) inner seal.





      Note 1 : 9183491 shaft = chassis range S70 465739-621367 V70 465339-630091
      9463300 shaft = chassis S70 621368 - on V70 630092

      The production change here was in regard to the center bearing - later shafts have a larger bearing & carrier.
      Note 2 pertains to the fact that the replacement CV ONLY fits original Prop shafts






      Last edited by lookforjoe; 03-17-2013 at 09:18 AM.
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    • lookforjoe

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      09-23-2011 09:46 PM #2
      Driveshafts - mid 98 - 00



      Carrier variations



      Driveshaft/Exhaust support bracket: 9474483 (98-99) 9133420 ('00)



      listed as position 19 in the Front Floor Section.

      Torque Tube/ VC variations





      mid '98-'99 BG length



      '00 BG length



      change in sump design




      BG internal components



      Difference in '98-99 & '00 Pinion - '00 uses Koyo bearings, smaller OD

      SKF pinion bearings: 183839 & 183841 - same as used for the RWD 1031 diff pinion. Carrier bearings: 32010x (2)

      Don't have the numbers for the Koyo bearings



      Diff/BG coupler



      check for spline wear here:



      Inside Viscous Coupler



      Freewheel Mechanism



      Design & Function




      Typical torn front CV boot





      Binding CV due to lack of grease/cooked - typical cause of vibration



      CV components



      Re-assembled, ready for CV grease - note markings to ensure correct reassembly



      Last edited by lookforjoe; 03-19-2013 at 10:30 AM. Reason: added carrier/exhaust support info
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    • Big Will

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      09-24-2011 02:41 AM #3
      Great post Hussein! This should really be stickied. Thanks for taking the time to document all of that.


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    • lookforjoe

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      12-03-2011 02:49 PM #4
      Right Axle Variants '98-00

      '98-'00 front to back. Arrow indicates seal seat (28mm OD).



      So, the '00 (R) axle doesn't work in an M66 AWD because it's too short. Fixed point is the bearing, since that is located on the engine in the same location regardless of transmission. This is from a 5 speed Auto AWD (R, # 8251521 (8601580) (9463921). If there were any 4 speed Auto AWD in '00, I would expect that it would work as is. The '99 axle PN 8251520 (8601576) (9463762) will work, but the outer BG seal seat is not in the correct location.

      EDIT: There seem to be 2 '00 AWD 5 speed auto axles. The one pictured, is from an R. I took an axle from an '00 XC today, and it looks like the earlier design; the PN is 8251523 (8601589) (9463351)



      Either a .5mm collar needs to be fabricated for the seal to seat (1mm difference in OD between seal seat & rest of shaft), or a smaller ID (27mm) seal would need to be sourced. Probably easier to look for a seal, IMO

      28mm ID


      38mm OD



      Shaft OD

      27mm



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    • lookforjoe

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      12-08-2011 09:35 PM #5
      The '00 XC 4 speed auto axle (9463351) 8251523 is the correct axle for anyone doing an '00 M66 conversion





      The problem is that the aftermarket sources have the listings all screwed up. If you order a 8251253, it is (incorrectly) superceded to 8251251, which is the Volvo # for the '00 R axle. The correct axle is sold under 8251520, which is the Volvo # for the '99 axle!



      Last edited by lookforjoe; 02-19-2013 at 09:14 PM. Reason: change 5 speed auto to 4 speed auto
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    • brettborders

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      01-02-2012 09:38 PM #6
      Agreed! Great Write Up! I Work At A Volvo Shop In Denver and Still Don't Have The Patience To Do This Kind Of Documentation. My Shop Used To Do Business At Colorado Driveshaft Untill They Decided To Axe The Axle Rebuilds and Concentrate On Driveshafts Only. We Wanted To Work At A Shop That Did Both, So We Went With CVJ. They Seem To Have Issues Finding Replacement Parts For The Center Carrier Bearing. On One Rebuild, They Cut Both Ends and Center Joints and Welded New Replaceable Parts On. No Extra $$, Completely Custom. They Warranty Their Rebuilds For Life. They They Also Built The Axles For The K-Kax S60 500 hp Race Cars That's Raced In The World Challange on Speed Channel.
      Question - Are The Bevel Gears, Viscous Coupling and Driveshafts Interchangeable, Besides The Outer Side Axles To The Spindles. Example - Is The Viscous Coupling To Rear Diff Mounting The Same From 98-00? Bevel To Trans?


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    • lookforjoe

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      01-08-2012 09:04 PM #7
      Originally Posted by brettborders
      Question - Are The Bevel Gears, Viscous Coupling and Driveshafts Interchangeable, Besides The Outer Side Axles To The Spindles. Example - Is The Viscous Coupling To Rear Diff Mounting The Same From 98-00? Bevel To Trans?



      Not sure what the question is - if you look at the component listings above, you can see the shafts/VC/rear diff flanges are not all the same, and the lengths are also different....

      What exactly are you trying to do?


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    • matt1122

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      02-07-2012 12:19 PM #8
      Thanks for posting this information, it's come in handy and I've learned a bit from it. I see the section on the lock-up mechanism under the freewheel description is cut off and was wondering if anyone could help me find that information. Would love to know more about how that works.


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    • lookforjoe

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      03-31-2012 07:37 AM #9
      Originally Posted by matt1122
      Thanks for posting this information, it's come in handy and I've learned a bit from it. I see the section on the lock-up mechanism under the freewheel description is cut off and was wondering if anyone could help me find that information. Would love to know more about how that works.



      It's actually shown in the pic - the ramped ball bearings constitute the centrifugal lock-up - they are thrown outwards & lock the inner & outer shafts. When that goes bad, it sounds like a bag of bearings being rattled around in a tin can.


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    • lookforjoe

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      04-06-2012 08:04 AM #10
      BG seal part numbers:

      Carrier seals (2) 9143879 (position 3 in the '00 diagram, same part for 97-)
      Driveshaft seals (2) 9143885 (where shaft passes inside BG, and into differential)

      Crown nut O-ring (1) 925258

      Fill plug seal (1) 11998

      Pinion seal (1) 9183891 (I would NEVER replace this unless it's obviously leaking! Just like the rear diff, there is a compression collar that sets the pinion backlash - if you don not torque to spec, you WILL damage the BG!)

      Diff sleeve outer seal (automatic trans AW50-42) (1) 9496129
      Diff sleeve outer seal (automatic trans AW50/51 AW55-50) (1) 8636194
      Diff sleeve outer seal (M66) (1) 9143911

      Chromed Diff/BG Sleeve (1) 31256008 (918140
      Oring (1) 976041





      Last edited by lookforjoe; 03-19-2013 at 11:17 AM. Reason: PN change, add illustrations
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    • lookforjoe

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      04-23-2012 11:25 AM #11
      Diff/BG collar: What to look for. Typically the splines will wear on the BG side of the collar. What you need to look for in terms of wear is that the splines still have a 'flat' between each valley:



      Look at this pic, you can see the splines are worn to a sharp edge, next step would be stripping of the collar, and subsequent damage to BG



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    • OneWithBrick

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      05-23-2012 08:53 PM #12
      Wow (H/LookforJoe),
      detailed, time consuming, and yet extremely valuable.
      As a new member, I will speak for the "future members of the community" to say
      "Thank You" for generously putting in the time and effort to document your experience and share it with us.

      Kudos also to all those that keep this opportunity open to us (via the forums/site).


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    • lookforjoe

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      03-12-2013 03:32 PM #13
      Update. IPD now sells an AWD right side axle that will work on both '99 and '00 4spd auto models - which means you can replace your dead '00 BG with the more readily available (late)'98-99 BG's, you just have to buy the custom axle from IPD - it has seal seats in two spots, to accommodate both versions.

      EDIT: NOTE - The '00 Down Pipe will require modification also if the earlier Bevel Gear is used - the change in offset of the pinion will negatively impact fitment of the stock '00 DP.

      IF you are planning a manual AWD swap on your '00 R, you will need BOTH left and right axles (either '99 or '00 4spd) - the 5spd auto axles DO NOT fit the M66/or M58 trans.

      The left axle lacks this shoulder:

      this pic courtesy of BlackT5 on VS



      needs to look like this:





      which the illustrated seal will seal against





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    Gracias ramaloji, como digo si acepto la oferta que me han echo por mi t5 y me tiro a la piscina con la R seria conseguir un eje central de transmision, cuatro neumaticos nuevos si o si y una stage 0 y ya mas adelante veriamos si le metemos alguna chuche. por cierto kits de suspension hay para este awd? solo he encontrado un kit intrax que vale 1800€ XD


    por cierto rajaloji, entiendo que si elimino todo lo que has dicho visualmente se quedaria como un puente trasero con suspension independiente no?
    si ha pasado ITV puedes seguir usandolo asi ok

    sin prisas buscas informacion y el eje y quizas el haldex si le hace falta

    seguramente en un desguaze lo localizas

    la suspension de origen en buen estado te sobrara de momento

    unas estabilizadoras son mas necesarias

    pero si quiere una suspension de lujo la hay ha medidad

    cuando la necesites me envias un privado y te doy la info

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    gracias de nuevo Ramaloji

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